User talk:LostAllagan

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Self-Promotional Activity

Hello. This is TSDS. It seems you may be the fellow who flagged this "issue". I have left this same message on Moogle's talk page but as it seems like you're the person that started this I thought I would copy it here for your eyes:

My dudes I've been adding guides here for over 6 years because some of the encounters have only had guides that were massively out of date (like Castrum/Praetorium - which are admittedly out of date following 6.1), or entirely missing of video guides like the Whorleater (Hard). I don't remove the existing guides to only have mine however because that would be a jerk move. I started covering other instances because I know I am able to explain mechanics pretty well and existing guides by popular creators are often quite confusing and sometimes even incorrect because of the rush to get a guide out as soon as the content drops.

Video guides are a far better medium for conveying information than the written format. In that sense I make video guides and I put them here to contribute to the playerbase. Obviously I have benefited from having guides here because it brings some amount of traffic but I am here to provide accurate and well made content. If new people are making guides then that's only a benefit for the community. Some guides may be better than others but why not just have a video guide section at the bottom and let people find creators they prefer? Right now we're only offering, what is it, Mr Happy and Mizzteq guides for players simply because they themselves didn't add them here? Who decides then which creators can be featured? Or was it just so that they were the only ones around when the pages were created and that's that?

I posted about this change on my channel and have had a number of subscribers mention that they will just edit the wiki in that case and put my guides here for me (I have NOT asked anyone to do this). If that happens is that self promotion then? I understand you do not wish for things to get out of control but I do find this ruling a bit random. I can contribute to providing clear explanations for game content as long as I write it, but putting in far more effort and producing a video guide - that's a no no? Huh??

Now we're in a situation where we have entire pages without a single video guide on offer simply because self promotion bad? Cape Westwind doesn't need any guide and we had 4 apparently? So lets say we have one guide. Who decides which one then? Dump a video guide section at the bottom and let people choose who they want. Make a rule that if you add a guide here it must be reasonably able to be seen/heard/understood and with a reasonable amount of effort involved. I have discovered better guide makers than some of the original creators simply through them having their videos here and that's now gone.

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Either ban video guides entirely or make a section for them and implement rules to embedding location and format. I don't see any logic in letting old, out of date or low quality guides remain on the wiki simply because the creator didn't post them. If you want pages to be clean and factual and not involve any amount of 'promotion' then remove videos entirely. Who here gets to choose which creators can be featured and which can't? It seems absurdly unfair when the objective here is to teach people encounter tactics. If I make a high quality & updated guide why shouldn't it be shared here where video guides are apparently accepted? Hell I can't embed it but one of my subscribers can? Then what's even the point?

If lots of people start making guides too then... okay? Put a video limit, don't put a video limit, remove old guides that make everything sound like the most scary thing imaginable (because they were made before 16 patches of rebalancing) or just don't allow videos at all - because allowing video guides but then banning anyone who actually makes them because clearly they're only doing it for views is a bit silly.

I don't care about the publicity. What annoys me is that the very reason I started making guides 6 years ago was because some of the guides I discovered on this very website were completely outdated or entirely missing and now the site is right back to where it was. Whorleater Hard is back to having no guide, and for what?

TSDS (talk) 19:28, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

OK, hi. My comment wasn't targeted at you. I noticed pages here piling up with four or five video guides and was wondering what the style standards are cause it looked like crap. And TBH, it doesn't seem like there are any or like they've normalized it, so I get why you're frustrated. I personally would be *fine* with no video guide content. I contribute to other wikis where there are standards around things like making self-promotional single purpose accounts that only exist to promote their own content, and that seemed like a meaningful place to start. At any rate, not my call, and if you wanna blame me for the decisions of admins just because I pointed out how much of a mess things were...ok then.

At any rate your guides aren't "for" the wiki. The issue isn't some video vs text debate. They're being hosted on YouTube. Maybe you don't know how wikis tend to work, IDK, but that's not content "anyone can edit," it's content that *you* exclusively control and own. And let's be honest, the "updated/outdated" language here is clickbait. Your videos are all titled based on the expansion you made them in, but you don't seem to find it pressing to go back and make "Updated Endwalker" of the older ones, because you know that these dungeons and trials didn't change *at all*, except maybe by getting easier, which really doesn't impact the guide. Totally fair if you don't like the style of other guidemakers. Totally fair if you want to make your own. Clearly you put a lot of work into them. They look polished and complete. But acting like it's some objective truth that yours are better because they're more "current," especially when you're not covering the only significant change made to ARR dungeons since their release, is a bad take. LostAllagan (talk) 20:12, 6 July 2022 (UTC)